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consulate in benghazi. if you want to sound smart today, tell your friends that at 48 years old, susan rice would have been the youngest woman ever to become secretary of state had she been confirmed. condoleezza rice was 50 when she was nominated by george w. bush back in 2004. enough for the real news. let's gather around that water cooler to watch politics ukrainian style. the newly elected ukrainian parliament had their first session yesterday. shortly into the day, this erupted. on the floor, a mass fist fight between the ruling party and opposition. the two sides were arguing over voting rules when opposition members stormed the podium, punching, grabbing, bite, choke holes and body slams. and full nelsons? also there, but not seen in the pictures, boxing heavyweight and gre great, klitschko. when asked why he wasn't getting involved, klitschko simply said, quote, i understand many people want klitschko to launch an offensive but i would like to remine them the fists a world champion are considered nu
consulate in benghazi. if you want to sound smart today, tell your friends that at 48 years old, susan rice would have been the youngest woman ever to become secretary of state had she been confirmed. condoleezza rice was 50 when she was nominated by george w. bush back in 2004. enough for the real news. let's gather around that water cooler to watch politics ukrainian style. the newly elected ukrainian parliament had their first session yesterday. shortly into the day, this erupted. on the...
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she did not have line of authority for security for our consulate in benghazi. that wasn't her job as ambassador. i thought giving her the outs, as i just said, and giving her her very good service in the obama administration, i really thought that she was qualified for this. >> governor o'maley, this, as the governor said, wasn't even in her portfolio. president obama said today in a statement while i deeply regret the unfair and misleading attacks on susan rice in recent weeks, her decision demonstrates the strength of a character and an admirable commitmented to rise above the politics of the moment. now, you and i certainly may admire what she's done and say that it is certainlyly that it is certainlyl showing a stateswoman-like quality. but it's certainly doing an unfairness to her and may never address it to those who never had it in her purview and correct it if they felt it needed correcting. >> well, i think, sadly, ambassador rice was a target of opportunity for a party that tends to spend a lot more time and a lot more energy on obstruction. so i thin
she did not have line of authority for security for our consulate in benghazi. that wasn't her job as ambassador. i thought giving her the outs, as i just said, and giving her her very good service in the obama administration, i really thought that she was qualified for this. >> governor o'maley, this, as the governor said, wasn't even in her portfolio. president obama said today in a statement while i deeply regret the unfair and misleading attacks on susan rice in recent weeks, her...
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the aftermath of the september 11th attack in benghazi. in the letter ambassador rice also expresses her gratitude for the president's confidence and support and assures that she will remain as ambassador at the unions. let's get to our panel. with me in new york is jonathan alter, who is with bloomberg view, and professor michael eric die sorn ayson and ari melber w nation." >> i think this is the sad resolution of what amounted to a right wing witch hunt against ambassador susan rice. i think, first of all, wrongly laying responsibility for the fiasco at her feet. secondly, when facts subsequently came out to suggest that she was marrily repeated what she had been told in terms of intelligence, they were still unrelenting, and then thirdly what this does is displace a highly qualified person for secretary of state from the obama administration who happens to be a person of color and a woman. a rhodes scholar, a doctoral recipient from oxford university, an extraordinary broad career at the state department so to speak in terms of foreign
the aftermath of the september 11th attack in benghazi. in the letter ambassador rice also expresses her gratitude for the president's confidence and support and assures that she will remain as ambassador at the unions. let's get to our panel. with me in new york is jonathan alter, who is with bloomberg view, and professor michael eric die sorn ayson and ari melber w nation." >> i think this is the sad resolution of what amounted to a right wing witch hunt against ambassador susan...
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mostly in new york city for benghazi is really a stretch. she was the werngs who went out on sunday television. and she said today to brian williams that she is not blameless. i think there was a lack of care with the talking points and the republicans seized on it and claims she was being political and trying to be political at a key point in the presidential election campaign, which she strongly denies. >> but you're saying that the president's statements to that effect were not enough because they were not backed up with essentially procedural support for her to be fighting these attacks that could have happened had he nominated her. >> once she's nominated she is armed with the white house counsel's office-w every wise person, man or woman in washington who would be assigned to her to get her through the nomination process. but she was left -- she said she didn't feel that she's a victim here, but she certainly did acknowledge to brian that she thinks politics played a part. and i don't think there's any way to deny that. now, the fact t
mostly in new york city for benghazi is really a stretch. she was the werngs who went out on sunday television. and she said today to brian williams that she is not blameless. i think there was a lack of care with the talking points and the republicans seized on it and claims she was being political and trying to be political at a key point in the presidential election campaign, which she strongly denies. >> but you're saying that the president's statements to that effect were not enough...
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. >> hillary clinton has largely avoided blame when it comes to benghazi. >> the next thing graham wants to talk about is why for seven hours on september 11 we can could not reinforce the event. we could not get into the details of how they died and why we left our consulate. >> what went wrong is decision makers did not make the right security call. it's gross negligence. >> the main speaker at the conference focused on the middle east as hosted by israeli american savonne. benjamin netanyahu to libney and american political rivals from senator john mccain to the president. praised clinton in a more than ten-minute video tribute. take a look at this. >> strength, toughness, very strong streak of principle. >> i had the opportunity to work with her, to achieve ceasefire between israel and hamas. >> a strong and determined leader. >> politics as a mother, as a senator, the pinnacle up to now of her public service. >> one of the best secretary of states in american history and finally, hillary, a lot has been said about our relationship and here is what i know. you haven't just within one
. >> hillary clinton has largely avoided blame when it comes to benghazi. >> the next thing graham wants to talk about is why for seven hours on september 11 we can could not reinforce the event. we could not get into the details of how they died and why we left our consulate. >> what went wrong is decision makers did not make the right security call. it's gross negligence. >> the main speaker at the conference focused on the middle east as hosted by israeli american...
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she probably had the least to do with the attack on benghazi. why she was targeted individually for the kind of attacks that she was subjected to is -- it was puzzling to me. >> the process also seems to be playing out with one of obama's top picks to lead the pentagon. the president was quick to praise republican former nebraska senator chuck hagel, but was just as quick to say he hadn't made up his mind. >> i haven't made a decision about who to nominate. >> anything disqualify him? >> not that i see. i have serbed with chuck hagel. he know him. is he somebody who served this country is w veil valor. >> he ran into stubborn resistance over the weekend from senate republicans like lynndie graham and tomko burn. >> there would be little republican support. there will be very few votes at the end of the day. >> i cannot vote for chuck hagel. >> why? >> simply because of the positions that he has taken and some of the statements that he has taken. >> meanwhile, epa administer lisa jackson's decision to step down also has many doubting whether the
she probably had the least to do with the attack on benghazi. why she was targeted individually for the kind of attacks that she was subjected to is -- it was puzzling to me. >> the process also seems to be playing out with one of obama's top picks to lead the pentagon. the president was quick to praise republican former nebraska senator chuck hagel, but was just as quick to say he hadn't made up his mind. >> i haven't made a decision about who to nominate. >> anything...
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but from benghazi to ben affleck. that just happened. >> well done. >> that transition just happened. benghazi to ben affleck, also one of barbara's most interesting or fascinating people. i object. i object because if you are one of the most overexposed celebrities on the planet, i don't think you can still be fascinating. he was fascinating maybe in 1999 when we didn't know literally everything about this man. but even though he has gone through some metamorphosis, he has gray hair, a father, he is old, gray hair, he is choosing good roles finally, i don't find him fascinating. >> i was bored by him more than a decade, he was like the quint essential guy famous for being famous, what he basically informs the 2000, the us aughts. i saw "a go," i saw it a few weeks ago, stuck with me. i'm fascinated how a guy could be that boring for so long and then suddenly become interested. >> but you're -- you're talk bag previous ben affleck a guy of "goodwill hunting" cannot be famous for being famous. >>> immigration could be
but from benghazi to ben affleck. that just happened. >> well done. >> that transition just happened. benghazi to ben affleck, also one of barbara's most interesting or fascinating people. i object. i object because if you are one of the most overexposed celebrities on the planet, i don't think you can still be fascinating. he was fascinating maybe in 1999 when we didn't know literally everything about this man. but even though he has gone through some metamorphosis, he has gray...
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the benghazi first of all was not front and center. so she was put out as the highest ranking diplomat to speak that sunday. i think it was a job audition, i think they welcomed the opportunity to have her go out on five shows to show her stuff. she stuck to the talking points. i was on the same show and we were listening and watching and it did seem immediately to those of us watching that it was not adequately conveying the full complexity, but you understand when someone is going out nervously and sticking to the -- she would have been criticized more if she hadn't. >> again, listen, her argument wasn't credible, i understand why republicans were upset about that performance, four days, five days after they found out from general petraeus that they knew that al qaeda was involved, that it was a terrorist attack. but let's just strip this down and talk about what it was really about, politics. they were upset and you take it to the debate and candy crowley getting it wrong on what the president said and when he said it, the white hou
the benghazi first of all was not front and center. so she was put out as the highest ranking diplomat to speak that sunday. i think it was a job audition, i think they welcomed the opportunity to have her go out on five shows to show her stuff. she stuck to the talking points. i was on the same show and we were listening and watching and it did seem immediately to those of us watching that it was not adequately conveying the full complexity, but you understand when someone is going out...
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they can go ahead and hold benghazi hearings, but nobody will pay any attention except fox. >> michael, what's your reaction to susan rice dropping out of contention for secretary of state? why do you think she did it, and was she forced out with just a media circus? >> no, i think that's a good point, ed. i think she did largely because of what she said. she wanted to protect the administration going into the second term, not to have the distraction of a contentious confirmation hearing. as you know, senator mccain was already positioning himself on the appropriate committee to be a part of that grilling process to come. so i think she really looked down the road and saw for the betterment of the president's agenda in trying to get ahead of the noise to step aside. i thought that quite honestly that was a very smart thing to do. with respect to the political points scored, look, the bottom line is her scalp is one of many political scalps that have been shaved by democrats and republicans in trying to score for their base but it doesn't necessarily serve the ultimate interest of the c
they can go ahead and hold benghazi hearings, but nobody will pay any attention except fox. >> michael, what's your reaction to susan rice dropping out of contention for secretary of state? why do you think she did it, and was she forced out with just a media circus? >> no, i think that's a good point, ed. i think she did largely because of what she said. she wanted to protect the administration going into the second term, not to have the distraction of a contentious confirmation...
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yom who has been out front ripping susan rice apart in front of the media over benghazi. why isn't he going after hilary? >> well, i think he's scared of her. i think many people are scared of her. hell i'm scared of her. hillary clinton is sitting at 70% approval ratings in the country right now. that's a far rise from where she was when she left as first lady and the same for bill clinton. his numbers are through the roof as well. i expect those numbers to come down as we get closer and closer 2016. if john mccain actually were concerned about what happened in benghazi he should be hauling secretary clinton up to the hill to have an inquiry. she's secretary of state. they are responsible for embassy security but he won't do it. >> jimmy, thank you. >>> the other reason that the rice fight matters host of escalating tensions throughout the middle east. israel is feeling heat today from europe over its decision to expand settlements in the west bank and east jerusalem. at least three countries summoned israeli ambassadors to condemn the action. in egypt new protests today
yom who has been out front ripping susan rice apart in front of the media over benghazi. why isn't he going after hilary? >> well, i think he's scared of her. i think many people are scared of her. hell i'm scared of her. hillary clinton is sitting at 70% approval ratings in the country right now. that's a far rise from where she was when she left as first lady and the same for bill clinton. his numbers are through the roof as well. i expect those numbers to come down as we get closer and...
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alan west, my favorite outgoing member of congress, called it benghazi flu. so should we hold our breath awaiting an apology from these two characters? >> one would think. this is, after all, the former first lady of the united states. this is, after all, the former united states senator from the state of new york. this is, after all, the sitting secretary of state, which in the line of succession to the presidency is fifth in line if i'm not mistaken. i could be wrong on that. here is what i do know. you have john bolton, who by most accounts within the republican party, except for the neocons s a complete boob. you have alan west who lost a seat he should not have lost. why? because he's a moron. i just said it, new year's eve, alan west, is a moron and thank god he's leaving congress. these people should apologize. a fake news sham organization should apologies to secretary clinton and her family. the woman is in serious medical shape and this is what they come up with? >> just -- >> she may be the president of the united states one day. what are they goin
alan west, my favorite outgoing member of congress, called it benghazi flu. so should we hold our breath awaiting an apology from these two characters? >> one would think. this is, after all, the former first lady of the united states. this is, after all, the former united states senator from the state of new york. this is, after all, the sitting secretary of state, which in the line of succession to the presidency is fifth in line if i'm not mistaken. i could be wrong on that. here is...
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consulate in benghazi. and now there are new questions about a possible conflict of interest. let's bring in congressman gregory meeks, democrat from new york. also a member of the house foreign affairs committee. thanks for swinging by on this saturday afternoon, congressman. >> good being with you, craig. >> first of all, is ambassador rice, is she the candidate that you would like to see put forth? >> ambassador vice a brilliant woman. i've known her for a while. she is from the clinton administration. i've senn her work. she is a rhodes scholar. she has done excellent work as the u.n. ambassador. i think she would be a great secretary of state. >> do you think that she is the woman who ends up getting nominated, or do you think at the end of the day we'll end up seeing someone perhaps like a john kerry? >> that's up to the president of the united states, of course. but i would say he has a wide selection of individuals to choose from. but susan rice would be on the very top of my list, that's for sure. >> what do you make of all of this opposition? do you think that some o
consulate in benghazi. and now there are new questions about a possible conflict of interest. let's bring in congressman gregory meeks, democrat from new york. also a member of the house foreign affairs committee. thanks for swinging by on this saturday afternoon, congressman. >> good being with you, craig. >> first of all, is ambassador rice, is she the candidate that you would like to see put forth? >> ambassador vice a brilliant woman. i've known her for a while. she is...
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>> well, i think benghazi will be a black spot on four tremendous years of secretary of state. i'm giving the star to what i call obama coalition. african americans, latinos, gays and lesbians, young people, women, all the things that we've been talking about all year and even tonight who came together and decided that they wanted to give him four more years. despite where the economy is. despite the right track, wrong track. they decided to tell the republicans all of your talk aboutous being demoralized, that we're not for this guy anymore. that's bunk. we're with him. >> well, who out of that coalition. is there a person -- >> i yield to the lady to my left. >> for me, it doesn't go to one particular person. it goes to latinos. it goes to the latino electorate which really flex eed its political mussel. not just because of the growth of the population and the record turn out, but because of where they are. latinos are strategically placed in red states. and they're pushing these into light red, into purple. and eventually, it's going to the take a little bit. texas is going
>> well, i think benghazi will be a black spot on four tremendous years of secretary of state. i'm giving the star to what i call obama coalition. african americans, latinos, gays and lesbians, young people, women, all the things that we've been talking about all year and even tonight who came together and decided that they wanted to give him four more years. despite where the economy is. despite the right track, wrong track. they decided to tell the republicans all of your talk aboutous...
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then after he got out of that one he starts talking about benghazi and all this other stuff and lost that one argument. could he have won if he said, i'm the guy you need for this job. >> part, you need to go back and show why the policies were going to work. for example, if you take a look at 2003 bush tax cuts, by 2007, $800 billion more revenue had come in and the deficit was cut from $370 billion to $260 billion. did you hear him say that? that's what he needed to do, full-throated defense of republican policies that bush implemented but also he could have used to show why his policies would work. ultimately when you make it a referendum, you take the arguments off the table. >> do you buy that he should have defended all the republican policies of bush and his own? >> no, because those policies got us in trouble in 2008 in a great many ways. bush inherited a surplus and left with a massive deficit. didn't monitor the financial system and so on. the most important point is david's right about, which is there's no such thing as a presidential referendum election. i've covered ten
then after he got out of that one he starts talking about benghazi and all this other stuff and lost that one argument. could he have won if he said, i'm the guy you need for this job. >> part, you need to go back and show why the policies were going to work. for example, if you take a look at 2003 bush tax cuts, by 2007, $800 billion more revenue had come in and the deficit was cut from $370 billion to $260 billion. did you hear him say that? that's what he needed to do, full-throated...
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rice's sunday talk show round up after the september 11th attacks in benghazi, libya put her in front to provide information. as it turns out, she had not written the material she delivered that day and was not dishonest about her understanding of the attacks. funny thing, they don't have to be there to play the game. the biggest there that wasn't there in politics, another presidential adviser with talking points. secretary of state hopeful making the case for her administration's national security strategy. this time, the talking points led to a war that killed thousands and had has a decade long lasting effect. in 2003, when condoleezza rice made the rounds, she was in no uncertain terms paving the path to war in iraq. later when condoleezza rice was going through confirmation hearings, her role in selling the war was not lost on senate democrats, yet, she made it through the nomination process because her side, the republicans chose to fight the fight. somehow, the fight this time around, despite the troubling thin reasons for opposition became not worth having. perhaps because th
rice's sunday talk show round up after the september 11th attacks in benghazi, libya put her in front to provide information. as it turns out, she had not written the material she delivered that day and was not dishonest about her understanding of the attacks. funny thing, they don't have to be there to play the game. the biggest there that wasn't there in politics, another presidential adviser with talking points. secretary of state hopeful making the case for her administration's national...
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for someone that isn't that well known, she has been associated with just this fight and just benghazi. >> the biggest number at all is most people don't know enough about her to make up their opinion. as we know, the way politics worse is that absence two sides of a debate, one side will win. if there is one piece of information, it's all been pretty negative about her so far. i do think there is a risk for republicans regardless of whether they will say that if they proceed with a pretty ugly i think there are problems with terms of tone and how aggress he have the republicans want to be seen as going after her especially because so many attacks are over this benghazi issue and over talking points, and -- >> she had nothing -- >> look. her critics make other arguments, and you can debate the substance of that, but many terms of just sort of this is a very narrow cast discussion right now over a tv appearance. >> over one tv appearance. diversity is always an issue in the obama cabinet. just like any other administration. >> that's right. >> interestingly enough, it's been 15 years si
for someone that isn't that well known, she has been associated with just this fight and just benghazi. >> the biggest number at all is most people don't know enough about her to make up their opinion. as we know, the way politics worse is that absence two sides of a debate, one side will win. if there is one piece of information, it's all been pretty negative about her so far. i do think there is a risk for republicans regardless of whether they will say that if they proceed with a...
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you don't need to expend all this political capital on what is going to be an interminable benghazi investigation. john mccain signaling he wants to go on the foreign relations committee, he was going to lead the way. >> let's get this from chuck as well. do you think that clinton, secretary clinton or former president clinton, they have done this i know in private, said what they thought about this, they were for kerry. did they ever express that or lobby for kerry or against rice in this case do you know? >> it's my understanding they didn't. i think that hillary clinton understood where the president's loyalties lie, that he was leaning towards susan rice, and she wasn't going to start a debate and try to -- and i think, in fact, those close to secretary clinton really tried to snuff out those stories that secretary clinton wanted kerry over rice, didn't want to have rice replace her. i think she stayed out of that a lot. so i don't think that they were going to step into that at all. i mean, i know there's always been speculation that susan rice and secretary clinton weren't close, and it all
you don't need to expend all this political capital on what is going to be an interminable benghazi investigation. john mccain signaling he wants to go on the foreign relations committee, he was going to lead the way. >> let's get this from chuck as well. do you think that clinton, secretary clinton or former president clinton, they have done this i know in private, said what they thought about this, they were for kerry. did they ever express that or lobby for kerry or against rice in...
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we've watched al qaeda elements able it to destroy our -- or damage severely our consulate in benghazi and kill four brave americans. the message has to be sent that the united states is engaged. that the united states is ready to be involved, and the united states is ready to do whatever is necessary to prevent an act that could endanger or take the lives of literally thousands and thousands of innocent people. >> senator mccain obviously blending in every issue he can possibly put on the list there. but in reality i think that sound clip points to the difficulty the president will have on any decision that comes out of this. he's going to have opposition or second-guessing from john mccain and his supporters, but what are the options if, in fact, syria makes this move? >> i think that option number one is to let russia try to do something. it's really the only country left that has a significant amount of influence when it comes to assad and assad in terms of political maneuvering. so clinton met with the foreign minister of russia, and that's our greatest hope right now. is russia c
we've watched al qaeda elements able it to destroy our -- or damage severely our consulate in benghazi and kill four brave americans. the message has to be sent that the united states is engaged. that the united states is ready to be involved, and the united states is ready to do whatever is necessary to prevent an act that could endanger or take the lives of literally thousands and thousands of innocent people. >> senator mccain obviously blending in every issue he can possibly put on...
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>> well, a lot of people are observing that susan rice had very little to do with the benghazi situation. she read off of talking points. she's talented and capable woman whom i have known for many years. it's the president's call. he's entitled to have people in the positions that he chooses to have them. congress has to confirm these people. they have been warned that the susan rice confirmation could be difficult, but the president has a right to choose her if he wishes and with respect to john kerry, very capable man, according to press reports he's also being considered for the secretary of defense position. again, i don't know what happens there. he does a marvelous job in the united states congress as head of the foreign relations committee. we have all good options for john in my view. john kerry could serve ably in any number of positions. want to say about egypt, i don't know how much time you have, andrea, but some key egyptian national security officials are in washington now explaining egypt's recent actions. again that's a whole -- >> we were going to -- >> big pile of move
>> well, a lot of people are observing that susan rice had very little to do with the benghazi situation. she read off of talking points. she's talented and capable woman whom i have known for many years. it's the president's call. he's entitled to have people in the positions that he chooses to have them. congress has to confirm these people. they have been warned that the susan rice confirmation could be difficult, but the president has a right to choose her if he wishes and with...
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it was over interviews she gave on the attacks of benghazi. the attacks came even though she was never nominated. with rice out, kerry is in. as yet, president obama has made no nomination for secretary of defense to replace the pentagon chief, leon panetta. the short list is very short indeed, chuck hagel. the senator from nebraska. he's the front-runner to succeed panetta. at least conservatives are treating him that way and using the tactics they used against susan rice and on one detail, israel. he once warned of the intimidating influence of the jewish lobby and said this in a 2006 interview while in office. >> i'm a united states senator, not an israeli senator. i'm a united states senator. i support israel, but my first interest is i take an oath to the united states, not to a president, not a a party not to israel. >> i'm confused about what is controversial about that. hagel is criticized for a remark he made about an ambassador candidate he made in 1998 when he said james hormel was openly gay. hormel said he accepted the apology. ch
it was over interviews she gave on the attacks of benghazi. the attacks came even though she was never nominated. with rice out, kerry is in. as yet, president obama has made no nomination for secretary of defense to replace the pentagon chief, leon panetta. the short list is very short indeed, chuck hagel. the senator from nebraska. he's the front-runner to succeed panetta. at least conservatives are treating him that way and using the tactics they used against susan rice and on one detail,...
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did politics overshadow the real issues of what happened in benghazi and if so why? >> they did overshadow it and it continues. we had a hearing this week in foreign affairs. my republican colleagues want to continue to focus on it in a way that i think is not constructive at all. the report came out of the state department. the state department accepted responsibility and said that they should have done more. at the same time my republican colleagues also want to cut the very funding that is needed to protect the embassies around the country. so i think it is disingenuous and all about attacking president obama and the way that they torpedos susan rice. i think directing their attacks at her was inappropriate and they are still talking about it. >> democratic congress woman karen bass of california thank you very much and hop haappy holidays. >>> we will hear. a second look at the first lady and the next act for chelsea clinton. you are watching msnbc. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet,
did politics overshadow the real issues of what happened in benghazi and if so why? >> they did overshadow it and it continues. we had a hearing this week in foreign affairs. my republican colleagues want to continue to focus on it in a way that i think is not constructive at all. the report came out of the state department. the state department accepted responsibility and said that they should have done more. at the same time my republican colleagues also want to cut the very funding...